As a card carrying member of the Sault Tribe of Chippewa indians....I can't say I can approve of his duplicity in his admission that he is native american.

My native hertiage is traced back six generations..in my tribe they don't just hand out membership cards..there has to be an established bloodline.

I don't know what tribe he is claiming to be a part of...but as such a "brilliant scholar", you think he would have made a phone call to the tribe he claimed membership in and made sure he had blood quantum (i.e. registered indian blood).

As for his asinine political ramblings....well I don't have to comment on those. His comments speak for themselves.

I don't know what Ward Churchill claims for himself about Native blood. I don't think its an important issue.

Of course, one does not have to be Native American to join in struggle for native rights. Many white people back the fight for African-American rights.

Persons can be pacifists if they so choose, but have no right to even suggest that those oppressed by dominant ideology and military force need to adopt non-violence as a tactic or strategy. Palestinians as well as Native Americans come readily to mind.

With some 9-11 survivors pissed at any suggestion that their loss ought to be seen in a larger human rights context, another orgy of American exceptionalism, self-pity, and anger at all things deemed unpatriotic is over--at least for the moment.

Ward Churchill will remind us that those nagging questions about the "why" of 9-11 still need answers.

Rev. Dennis H. Holtschneider,
DePaul University Chicago

Dear Mr Holtschneider:

It has come to my attention that Professor Ward Churchill will be speaking on "human rights" at DePaul. Prof. Churchill has been active as the co-director of the Denver-based American Indian Movement of Colorado, a breakaway chapter of the American Indian Movement, since at least 1984.

That the American Indian Movement of Colorado is of a controversial nature ought to be known by one employed by a prestigious university. The view of "human rights" that would likely be presented by one formerly closely identified with the a domestic terrorist group would be only one point of view, and would probably not include activities of this group that resulted in government responses deemed "terrorist" by that organization.

Wouldn't a speaker who would add balance to the program be a good idea? In this way, students could be exposed to a diversity of opinion, something badly lacking when the issues of race relations, human rights and domestic terrorism are discussed.

BLACK BOB.

Wardo says he believes in human rights, but he regularly blocks Denver's peaceful Columbus Day Parade and deprives the Italian population of their right to gather and celebrate their cultural heritage. With new city ordinances in place this year, Wardo could be in jail when the time comes to speak. The students of DePaul should be so lucky.

It would surprise me if Ward Churchill speaks on human rights for people of color. I'll wager that more than 50% of his presentation will pertain to his favorite subject: Ward Churchill. By the way, Churchill is not supported by either liberals or conservatives anymore. Only the doe eyed 19 year old girls and young men having unresolved issues with their fathers seem to follow him now. He's a fake.

Your parody of my message to Kent Law School on the Israeli speaker misses one very significant point: the Israeli speaker represents the dominant ideology of Zionism, so a call to "balance" him in the name of a diversity of opinion is correct.

Ward Churchill, on the other hand, offers a distinctly minority opinion, contrary to that offered in the print and broadcast media, by politicians and pulpiteers.

Therefore, no "balance" is required. Make sense? Maybe that's asking too much.

It might not be true, but for the sake of argument let's say as fact that Ward Churchill lied about his heritage. In fact, let's say he lied about in a particularly offensive way, claiming direct relation with both Tecumseh and Crazy Horse, that he had relatives die on the Trail of Tears and at the Battle of Fallen Timbers. Let's multiply that times fifty for fun making him a truly sour character as far as his claims about his personal history go. Man, what a punk no?

Now, let's find the relevance between his excellent scholarly works such as; A Little Matter of Genocide: Holocaust and Denial in the Americas 1492 to the Present, The Cointelpro Papers: Documents from the Fbi's Secret Wars Against Dissent in the United States, Kill the Indian, Save the Man : The Genocidal Impact of American Indian Residential Schools among many others and his offensively dubious geneological claims. There is no relevance. What it would make him is a sad sorry ass and a liar that writes excellent scholarly books.

His political essays would be a different matter because of the arbitrariness of opinion (as opposed to an accurate, however biased, description of the colonization of America as in ALMOG) but still. what relevance to his geneological claims? Is there any reason to care about this any more than one would care about Clinton's extramarital humping? It's of importance only to those directly affected which I doubt includes anyone on this site.

There is an interesting discussion that might be peripheral to this about ethnic vs. cultural identity given how surprisingly close everyone's ancestry is. Mathmatical models show that everyone on Earth could be traced back to a single shared ancestor less than 2,000 years ago (Mapping Human History: Genes, Race, and Our Common Origins, Olson, 2002). With at least some shared ancestry can people pick their cultural identity? It's a neat discussion probably and one that might be borderline relevant in some way. Certainly it would be more relevant than Churchill's stories, true or not, of his personal life.

On Churchill's protesting of the Columbus day parade: It's widely admitted by even mainstream scholars that Columbus was guilty of enslaving people, and committing mass murder, genocide. To say that the Italian community has a right to celebrate that monster is to say that the German community has a right to have a "Hitler day" parade. Sure people have freedom of speech, but as long as it doesn't step on other people's rights, and having parades celebrating mass murderers helps create a culture and society of intimidation that limits other people's freedoms.

As for the idea that not even liberals support him, some of the people most excited about this event that I've talked to have been far more moderate than my radical far-left anarcho-commie self. I told some Pacifists and a vietnam veteran who voted for Kerry that CHurchill was speaking, and they got very excited. Maybe liberal politicians don't support Churchill, but fuck them, their views on Churchill obviously don't represent the views of the people who voted for them.

And why is it that Native Americans are the only ethnic group in the United States that are required to prove their ancestory? I mean I might expect that of dog breeds, not for human beings. Has anyone asked Alan Dershowitz to prove his Jewish ancestory? What about Bush? What European country did his blood come from?

Make sure Churchill's gibberish comes with subtitles.

How sad that Ward Churchill felt compelled to adopt a false identity to defend himself on this board in the post above. No Wardo your books do not represent "excellent scholarship". You have never, not once published in a university press. The honest scholars won't have you.

And Indians being the only ones to prove their genealogy, bull..ask your lawyer wife, Wardo... Mrs. Natsu "simultaneous submissions to pad my skimpy resume" CHurchill...the US's federal law says anyone who wants affirmative action is vulnerable to identity testing. What makes you immune from the law Wardo? Oh yeah you can't prove any Indian family at all can you...so you bitch and moan about the government oppressing poor Wardo who makes six figures. It's called deflection....It's called big fat liar.

The reason scrib, why native americans are required to prove ancestry is to eliminate the hangers on that will try to claim indian ancestry to milk benefits from the government.

I grew up in a middle class family.....not rich, but but not destitute. The only thing I have taken from the government was my G.I. Bill from my tour in the Marines.

As far as Columbus...well...there have been many civilizations that could be looked upon in retrospect as being a bad dude or a evil figure. The romans, the celts, the mongols, the crusaders etc...to look back on history with hindsight is an easy thing to do. I have accepted the country as the way it is and made my way. You can only claim the "victim" mentality for so long. After that you have to do for yourself.

"I have accepted the country as the way it is and made my way. You can only claim the "victim" mentality for so long. After that you have to do for yourself."

This is the old American individualist cop-out.

Many of our people are not educated about the European invasion. Knowledge is the beginning of wisdom. They need to hear the facts of the near genocide of the Native Americans, and the murder of thousands of African slaves,lest they think that we are "exceptions" to the crimes committed only by other, less noble folk.

The reeling fear and hostility that accompanied the 9-11 attacks are partly explained by American "exceptionalism:" "What have we done to deserve this? They hate us because of our freedoms!"

I fear it is a short step from "making one's way" to joining with the oppressor as in the case of Mexican-Americans backing the vigilante scum who would toss Mexicans out of territory stolen from their ancestors.

Dear "looked upon in retrospect" loser:

So are you saying that the people who were on the receiving end of genocidal monsters like Columbus did not know what was happening to them was wrong because it was way back when? It may take loser white (the stink of the attitude, not the color of the skin) dudes for fucking ever to get that things like rape and theft are wrong when it happens to someone else - but only because it is not YET happening to them.

But watch this white boy scream like a throttled rabbit when the tables are turned.

The victims knew rape and plunder was wrong.

And I am just so sorry your little towers fell down. Take your Viagra and get the hell over it.

Jackass.

Schwartzie, whether you can get anyone outside of your self-help group to swallow that "Zionism" is a "dominant ideology" isn't terribly relevant. Neither the world at large nor the middle east are the context we are speaking of when it comes to balance. The context is academia, where the Wardo:[Educated, useful, productive, idependant, informative speaker] ratio is at least 1000:1. If anything is going to be balanced, start there.

BLACK BOB

updates on the event: If you want in you will have to RSVP by e-mailing culturalcenter (at) depaul.edu

Right wingers be warned, DePaul Security has been put on alert for anyone who tries to disrupt the academic intent of the event.

War is NOT the answer......... Unless you're a fake indian.




WOLVERINES..... WOLVERINES..... VIVA LA REAGAN REVOLUTION.... COMMUNISM KILLED 100 MILLION PEOPLE.... SAY NO TO IT!!!!

Some may not realize this but Ward Churchill is still under attack at the University of Colorado where he teaches. Many around the country have come to his defense. For more information on the state of this case as well as on the general assault by the right against deissent and critical thinking on campus, see www.defendcriticalthinking.org/

PROTEST COLUMBUS DAY PARADE!

I'm over it KKKolombus. You are the one who seems to be in hysterics. I realize that the republicans controls the house, senate and white house and soon the Supreme Court, but let's try not to have a nervous breakdown in the middle of your rants, ok?

Well, if you want to forcibly ban Columbus Day parades and all "hate speech" (or at least the hate speech you personally don't like), or speech supporting people who you consider oppressors, then the logical extension would be to ban President's Day (George Washington and Andrew Jackson were both anti-Indian), the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas (for Christian domination over Indian peoples), and pretty much all holidays created related to America as we know it.

Some people can't seem to realize that your "enlightened" actions make you just like the very thing you're claiming to fight against.

I hope Ward Churchill will be man enough to at least take questions from the audience this time. Maybe he could explain why free speech should be for him but not for others whom he finds offensive.

I don't know the intention of every person protesting the Columbus Day parade, but personally I'm not out to ban it. only someone as narrow-minded as you can't see that the point is to make our presense known and to teach everyone blindly supporting this atrocious event who exactly columbus was and to have them stop on their own. As an anarcho-communist I feel the force of law is extremely undesirable, which is why we're not trying to legislate our actions (as that is completely useless) but instead try to talk to the people (one way or another ourselves, which I must say is a noble effort. Something I couldn't say for people of your sort.

In short, we are not like you. Don't pin that bullshit on us ignorant prick.

The Columbus Day Parade is NOT a celebration of America's "discovery". It's about Americans celebrating Italian culture and ancestry. It's analogous to the Irish St. Patrick's Day, the German Oktoberbest, the African-American "Black History Month", etc. etc. etc.

--Well, if you want to forcibly ban Columbus Day parades and all "hate speech" (or at least the hate speech you personally don't like), or speech supporting people who you consider oppressors, then the logical extension would be to ban President's Day (George Washington and Andrew Jackson were both anti-Indian), the 4th of July, Thanksgiving, Christmas (for Christian domination over Indian peoples), and pretty much all holidays created related to America as we know it.--

Sounds good to me!

The American flag is a symbol of hate speech. Anyone and everyone who flies the American flag should be jailed for three days on the first offense. People who waved that flag after 9/11 have sheepishly gone along with genocide in Afghanistan and Iraq, just like the Nazis who waved thier swastika flag did in World War 2. Screw you Sandman and everything you stand for.

Unlike some people I'm not a little Eichmann either.

by the way, a right wing columnist wrote a derelict column in the DePaul student newspaper, and asked people to contact administrators to shut down the event. please help resist right wing censorship by contacting Student Life Vice President James Doyle (jdoyle (at) depaul.edu) and the Cultural Center to let them know you are proud to have this event in your city and at our university!

where are you kurt?

Unfortunately, as it turns out, Ward Churchill's lecture at DePaul will not be open to the public:

heron.depaul.edu/DPCalendar/Full_Info.asp

i have been in talks with Ward Churchill and groups in colorado, as well as some spaces in town, to organize one or two other events for the general chicago community. stay tuned for more info, and if you are interested, and especially (if it works out) if you want to help with security or outreach, email me.

leftist,

Why? Do you want to hang out with me and drink some beers?

Churchill event full; standby list leading to possible entry only for ID-carrying staff/students who've not yet RSVP'd.

5:02pm Wednesday

Ten biggest Lies Finkelstein has been caught telling

10. The Lie: “I had an excellent teaching record, yes I had an excellent publication record.” (Interview with Norman Finkelstein, conducted by Don Atapattu, CounterPunch, “How to Lose Friends and Alienate People”)



The Truth: He has been fired by Brooklyn College, N.Y.U., and several other schools for “incompetence,” “mental instability” and “abuse” of students with politics different from his own, according to a high-ranking official at one of the schools.



His writings have been universally condemned by objective reviewers as “an ideological fanatic’s view,” “crackpot ideas,” and “pure inventions.”



9. The Lie: “[Dershowitz’s] book—well we have to put that in quotes, ‘his book,’ because the likelihood of him having written the book is roughly equal to the likelihood of me performing in the Bolshoi ballet or as a Rockette at Radio City Music Hall…” (Catalyst Radio Interview With Dr. Finkelstein)



The Truth: Dershowitz wrote every book by hand. His manuscripts are preserved in an archive.



8. The Lie: “One third of it [The Case for Israel] is simply plagiarized… [Dershowitz] plagiarized another hoax. [referring to Joan Peters’ From Time Immemorial]” (Chicago, February 12, 2004)



The Truth: That is impossible, since 90% of Dershowitz’ book deals with current issues, occurring after the publication of the Peters book. Moreover, there is not a single word or phrase in Dershowitz’ book that is copied from anyone without attribution.



7. The Lie: “And in the proofs, it says in the footnotes before the footnotes are actually entered. It says: copy from Joan Peters.” (Calgary, April 3, 2004)



The Truth: The instruction says exactly the opposite. In the advanced proofs, footnote 20, Dershowitz instructed his research assistant to cite to the original sources, as mandated by the Chicago Manual of Style.





6. The Lie: “[I]f you look at the footnotes for the book, he never once—I mean literally, not once—mentions any mainstream human rights organization. Never a mention of Amnesty’s findings, never a mention of Human Rights Watch’s findings, never a mention of B’Tselem findings, Public Committee Against Torture, Physicians for Human Rights—none.” (Chicago, March 18, 2004)



The Truth: Dershowitz cites Amnesty on at least five occasions, B’Tselem on three occasions and numerous other human rights groups. Amnesty and B’Tselem even appear in the index. Indeed much of the book is a critique of the double standard employed by these very organizations with regard to Israel.



5. The Lie: “If you open up [Dershowitz’s] book, Chutzpah, he says that, well as far as I’m concerned, he says, ethnic cleansings are, quote, a fifth-rate moral issue, and no different – he says, and they’re analogous—I’m now quoting him—they’re now, ethnic cleansings are analogous to massive urban renewal.” (Vancouver, May 15, 2004)



The Truth: This quotation is totally made up. Dershowitz was writing about an entirely different matter: the movement of people as part of a post-conflict “political solution,” such as what occurred after World War II when “approximately fifteen million ethnic Germans” were moved from Czechoslovakia and other Eastern European nations to Germany as part of an international effort to produce increased stability. This is not ethnic cleansing, but, as Dershowitz wrote, it “may constitute a human rights violation” as may the movement of Palestinians following the Arab attack on Israel in 1947-48. (see Chutzpah, p. 215)





4. The Lie: [I]f you look at the latest book of that raving maniac, Alan Dershowitz, he actually says at the very beginning that he only became actively involved supporting Israel after June 1967.” (October 2003)



The Truth: Dershowitz says no such thing. In fact, Dershowitz began to make that case in early 1967 before the war began. He was among the leaders of the student and faculty campaign at Harvard in support of Israel during weeks leading up to the Six Day War. He was an active Zionist from the age of 10 when he attended a Hebrew speaking Zionist camp. Dershowitz went to a Zionist high school and belonged to a Zionist house plan in college.





3. The Lie: “There was a famous case in 1995 of a Palestinian who was shaken to death while in detention. And nobody disputed the facts—the Israeli pathologist’s office, the forensic pathologists who were brought into the case, eventually it went to the Israeli High Court of Justice—they all agreed. And I’m quoting now from the High Court of Justice Judgment: “All agree that Harizad died from the shaking.”



The Truth: Finkelstein made up the quotation. The Supreme Court actually said that “the suspect expired after being shaken.” The difference between “died from the shaking” and “expired after being shaken” is considerable, especially since the sentence that follows in the decision attributes the death to an extremely rare complication, and the sentence before summarizes the literature as having no examples of anyone dying from shaking.”





2. The Lie: “Several times, … I kept saying [to Dershowitz] things like: ‘The book you claim that you have written.’ And I was expecting him sort of implode. If you tell somebody a book you claim to have written, there is no bigger insult. But he was actually quite calm about it. It is if he would say, ‘That is interesting. How do you know?’”

(Calgary, April 3, 2004)



The Truth: As the transcript of the debate shows, Dershowitz immediately interrupted him and replied: “I proudly wrote it.”





1. The Lie: Finkelstein has called Elie Wiesel a “liar” because “[i]n his memoir Wiesel had written that ‘I read The Critique of Pure Reason—don’t laugh!—in Yiddish.” Finkelstein claims that The Critique of Pure Reason was never translated into Yiddish.”



The Truth: Former Oxford professor Dovid Katz, one of the world’s most distinguished scholars of Yiddish literature, attests to the fact that the Critique of Pure Reason was translated into Yiddish and that he has seen a copy. Moreover, its substance was included in a popular Yiddish philosophy compendium by Chaim Zhitlovsky. Finally, a Yiddish translation of the Critique of Practical Reason is available in the Harvard Library.

Many people question the credibility of Ward Churchill's claim to be an Indian. In fact there is a general dispute about how Indian ethnic identity should be determined. It is clearly unfortunate that such a debate even has to take place and I don't find it helpful in looking at the overall situtation facing the indiginous population in the United States.

The US Government and legislatures have worked time and again to destroy the "tribes" or Nations going beyond the genocidal aggressions themselves. The Dawes Act (selling most of Oklahoma back to whites because there weren't enough Indians to populate the "enclosures" that were set up)is a prime example of how bourgeois ownership rights set out to destroy native social culture ("Blood Quantum" was the measure there). The most devastating destuction of the "tribes" that I know about is making Indians US Citizens and the urbanization push that brought many people from many Nations together into the urban environment. When two Indians got together and had children, depending on any Nation's "blood quantum" rules, those children may or may not still be able to be part of the "tribes" that their parents came from. Thus, a full blooded "Indian" or "Native-American" could not identify him or herself as a member of a "tribe." Thus the treaty obligations of the US Government to those people no longer existed because they were no longer members of any particular "tribe." Those children went back NO generations--although their parents may well remember where *they* came from. Rather than get free health care through the Bureau of Indian Affairs, those children now had to apply for welfare from their state--just like any other "American citizen."

The American Indian Arts and Crafts Act of 1991 was also based on "blood quantum" such that a fairly well known poet (who is a member of a "tribe"--but his wife is not) in Chicago could not register his drama troupe as "Indian" because of a lack of "blood quantum" among the members of the board.

I, personally, am not that familiar with Ward Churchill, per se, it seems to me that his identification with the Indian cause should be at least respected to the extent that he does not damage the cause by lying or otherwise injure its credibility.

There is a need to preserve Indian culture just as there is a need to preserve Jewish culture or any other culture. It seems that some people think that "blood quantum" is the way to do that. I have just demonstrates how some "Indians" are hurt by the insistence that "blood quantum" be a factor in their identities as Indians. But, I'm afraid that the "bourgeoisification" of the earth is something that has to be looked into by those interested in indigenous culture if we are going to be able to find a solution to this problem. The white working class I believe has a gigantic stake in this. I hope Sandman can see my point.

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